#160966: "Equal turns option doesn't count all goals completed"
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• Please copy/paste the error message you see on your screen, if any.
I've already submitted this as a comment within boardgamearena.com/bug?id=139314, but since that record has been marked "implemented", I believe the following was missed. I've marked this new report as not following the rules because I think the equal turns option should ONLY be implemented if it also takes the following into account:
I'd like to suggest another adjustment to the "Equal Turns" rule:
Determine the outcome (i.e the winner and rank of other players) based on the number of objectives that each player has completed after everyone has placed the same number of tiles (regardless of how many tokens are being used in the game). Without this adjustment, players can tie even when one or more of them could have played additional tokens (if they'd had them).
Here's an example: imgur.com/a/qwLrTOL
(from boardgamearena.com/table?table=610766824)
With the physical game, I would use some other token (coins, or an unused color token) to cover additional completed objectives on the tiles. It is not unusual for physical copies of games to allow for token substitutions. -
• Please explains what you wanted to do, what you do and what happened
End of game scoring: Score totals should be 23 for one player, 22 for the other (not 22-22)
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Google Chrome v133
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• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
I've already submitted this as a comment within boardgamearena.com/bug?id=139314, but since that record has been marked "implemented", I believe the following was missed. I've marked this new report as not following the rules because I think the equal turns option should ONLY be implemented if it also takes the following into account:
I'd like to suggest another adjustment to the "Equal Turns" rule:
Determine the outcome (i.e the winner and rank of other players) based on the number of objectives that each player has completed after everyone has placed the same number of tiles (regardless of how many tokens are being used in the game). Without this adjustment, players can tie even when one or more of them could have played additional tokens (if they'd had them).
Here's an example: imgur.com/a/qwLrTOL
(from boardgamearena.com/table?table=610766824)
With the physical game, I would use some other token (coins, or an unused color token) to cover additional completed objectives on the tiles. It is not unusual for physical copies of games to allow for token substitutions. -
• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
End of game scoring: Score totals should be 23 for one player, 22 for the other (not 22-22)
• What is your browser?
Google Chrome v133
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• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
I've already submitted this as a comment within boardgamearena.com/bug?id=139314, but since that record has been marked "implemented", I believe the following was missed. I've marked this new report as not following the rules because I think the equal turns option should ONLY be implemented if it also takes the following into account:
I'd like to suggest another adjustment to the "Equal Turns" rule:
Determine the outcome (i.e the winner and rank of other players) based on the number of objectives that each player has completed after everyone has placed the same number of tiles (regardless of how many tokens are being used in the game). Without this adjustment, players can tie even when one or more of them could have played additional tokens (if they'd had them).
Here's an example: imgur.com/a/qwLrTOL
(from boardgamearena.com/table?table=610766824)
With the physical game, I would use some other token (coins, or an unused color token) to cover additional completed objectives on the tiles. It is not unusual for physical copies of games to allow for token substitutions. • What is your browser?
Google Chrome v133
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• What was displayed on the screen when you were blocked (Blank screen? Part of the game interface? Error message?)
I've already submitted this as a comment within boardgamearena.com/bug?id=139314, but since that record has been marked "implemented", I believe the following was missed. I've marked this new report as not following the rules because I think the equal turns option should ONLY be implemented if it also takes the following into account:
I'd like to suggest another adjustment to the "Equal Turns" rule:
Determine the outcome (i.e the winner and rank of other players) based on the number of objectives that each player has completed after everyone has placed the same number of tiles (regardless of how many tokens are being used in the game). Without this adjustment, players can tie even when one or more of them could have played additional tokens (if they'd had them).
Here's an example: imgur.com/a/qwLrTOL
(from boardgamearena.com/table?table=610766824)
With the physical game, I would use some other token (coins, or an unused color token) to cover additional completed objectives on the tiles. It is not unusual for physical copies of games to allow for token substitutions. • What is your browser?
Google Chrome v133
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• Which part of the rules was not respected by the BGA adaptation
I've already submitted this as a comment within boardgamearena.com/bug?id=139314, but since that record has been marked "implemented", I believe the following was missed. I've marked this new report as not following the rules because I think the equal turns option should ONLY be implemented if it also takes the following into account:
I'd like to suggest another adjustment to the "Equal Turns" rule:
Determine the outcome (i.e the winner and rank of other players) based on the number of objectives that each player has completed after everyone has placed the same number of tiles (regardless of how many tokens are being used in the game). Without this adjustment, players can tie even when one or more of them could have played additional tokens (if they'd had them).
Here's an example: imgur.com/a/qwLrTOL
(from boardgamearena.com/table?table=610766824)
With the physical game, I would use some other token (coins, or an unused color token) to cover additional completed objectives on the tiles. It is not unusual for physical copies of games to allow for token substitutions. -
• Is the rules violation visible on game replay? If yes, at which move number?
End of game scoring: Score totals should be 23 for one player, 22 for the other (not 22-22)
• What is your browser?
Google Chrome v133
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• Which was the game action you wanted to do?
I've already submitted this as a comment within boardgamearena.com/bug?id=139314, but since that record has been marked "implemented", I believe the following was missed. I've marked this new report as not following the rules because I think the equal turns option should ONLY be implemented if it also takes the following into account:
I'd like to suggest another adjustment to the "Equal Turns" rule:
Determine the outcome (i.e the winner and rank of other players) based on the number of objectives that each player has completed after everyone has placed the same number of tiles (regardless of how many tokens are being used in the game). Without this adjustment, players can tie even when one or more of them could have played additional tokens (if they'd had them).
Here's an example: imgur.com/a/qwLrTOL
(from boardgamearena.com/table?table=610766824)
With the physical game, I would use some other token (coins, or an unused color token) to cover additional completed objectives on the tiles. It is not unusual for physical copies of games to allow for token substitutions. -
• What do you try to do to trigger this game action?
End of game scoring: Score totals should be 23 for one player, 22 for the other (not 22-22)
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• What happened when you try to do this (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• What is your browser?
Google Chrome v133
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• At which step of the game did the problem occurs (what was the current game instruction)?
I've already submitted this as a comment within boardgamearena.com/bug?id=139314, but since that record has been marked "implemented", I believe the following was missed. I've marked this new report as not following the rules because I think the equal turns option should ONLY be implemented if it also takes the following into account:
I'd like to suggest another adjustment to the "Equal Turns" rule:
Determine the outcome (i.e the winner and rank of other players) based on the number of objectives that each player has completed after everyone has placed the same number of tiles (regardless of how many tokens are being used in the game). Without this adjustment, players can tie even when one or more of them could have played additional tokens (if they'd had them).
Here's an example: imgur.com/a/qwLrTOL
(from boardgamearena.com/table?table=610766824)
With the physical game, I would use some other token (coins, or an unused color token) to cover additional completed objectives on the tiles. It is not unusual for physical copies of games to allow for token substitutions. -
• What happened when you try to do a game action (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
End of game scoring: Score totals should be 23 for one player, 22 for the other (not 22-22)
• What is your browser?
Google Chrome v133
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• Please describe the display issue. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
I've already submitted this as a comment within boardgamearena.com/bug?id=139314, but since that record has been marked "implemented", I believe the following was missed. I've marked this new report as not following the rules because I think the equal turns option should ONLY be implemented if it also takes the following into account:
I'd like to suggest another adjustment to the "Equal Turns" rule:
Determine the outcome (i.e the winner and rank of other players) based on the number of objectives that each player has completed after everyone has placed the same number of tiles (regardless of how many tokens are being used in the game). Without this adjustment, players can tie even when one or more of them could have played additional tokens (if they'd had them).
Here's an example: imgur.com/a/qwLrTOL
(from boardgamearena.com/table?table=610766824)
With the physical game, I would use some other token (coins, or an unused color token) to cover additional completed objectives on the tiles. It is not unusual for physical copies of games to allow for token substitutions. • What is your browser?
Google Chrome v133
-
• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
I've already submitted this as a comment within boardgamearena.com/bug?id=139314, but since that record has been marked "implemented", I believe the following was missed. I've marked this new report as not following the rules because I think the equal turns option should ONLY be implemented if it also takes the following into account:
I'd like to suggest another adjustment to the "Equal Turns" rule:
Determine the outcome (i.e the winner and rank of other players) based on the number of objectives that each player has completed after everyone has placed the same number of tiles (regardless of how many tokens are being used in the game). Without this adjustment, players can tie even when one or more of them could have played additional tokens (if they'd had them).
Here's an example: imgur.com/a/qwLrTOL
(from boardgamearena.com/table?table=610766824)
With the physical game, I would use some other token (coins, or an unused color token) to cover additional completed objectives on the tiles. It is not unusual for physical copies of games to allow for token substitutions. -
• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
End of game scoring: Score totals should be 23 for one player, 22 for the other (not 22-22)
• What is your browser?
Google Chrome v133
-
• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
I've already submitted this as a comment within boardgamearena.com/bug?id=139314, but since that record has been marked "implemented", I believe the following was missed. I've marked this new report as not following the rules because I think the equal turns option should ONLY be implemented if it also takes the following into account:
I'd like to suggest another adjustment to the "Equal Turns" rule:
Determine the outcome (i.e the winner and rank of other players) based on the number of objectives that each player has completed after everyone has placed the same number of tiles (regardless of how many tokens are being used in the game). Without this adjustment, players can tie even when one or more of them could have played additional tokens (if they'd had them).
Here's an example: imgur.com/a/qwLrTOL
(from boardgamearena.com/table?table=610766824)
With the physical game, I would use some other token (coins, or an unused color token) to cover additional completed objectives on the tiles. It is not unusual for physical copies of games to allow for token substitutions. • What is your browser?
Google Chrome v133
Report history
I had proposed to use the equal turns option for this season’s Arena format. It garnered the most votes, but wasn’t allowed due to its beta status. Therefore, please ensure to change the status once the option is working as intended.
I’m sure most competitive players would appreciate a level playing field.
I checked the Log of that Game boardgamearena.com/table?table=657747195
There you was the start player and your opponent got the last turn. So everyone had an equal amount.
I wanted to clarify that the suggestion I made above is essentially just applying a tiebreaker to any scenario where it isn't appropriate for players share a win.
Maybe Uwe Rosenberg himself should weigh in on this? Playing Framework with equal turns introduces new issues that weren't relevant with the original game design.
As the non-starting player, I had an extra turn, and proceeded to cover all 22 goals, but my opponent won the tiebreaker because they could have covered one more goal on their turn.
Thanks vurtan! :D
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