#69815: "Scoring with Black Powder unclear"
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• Please copy/paste the error message you see on your screen, if any.
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) -
• Please explains what you wanted to do, what you do and what happened
Final State
• What is your browser?
Firefox 103.0
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• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here. Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) • What is your browser?
Firefox 103.0
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• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) • What is your browser?
Firefox 103.0
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• What was displayed on the screen when you were blocked (Blank screen? Part of the game interface? Error message?)
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) • What is your browser?
Firefox 103.0
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• Which part of the rules was not respected by the BGA adaptation
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) -
• Is the rules violation visible on game replay? If yes, at which move number?
Final State
• What is your browser?
Firefox 103.0
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• Which was the game action you wanted to do?
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) -
• What do you try to do to trigger this game action?
Final State
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• What happened when you try to do this (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• What is your browser?
Firefox 103.0
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• At which step of the game did the problem occurs (what was the current game instruction)?
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) -
• What happened when you try to do a game action (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
Final State
• What is your browser?
Firefox 103.0
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• Please describe the display issue. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) • What is your browser?
Firefox 103.0
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• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here. Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) • What is your browser?
Firefox 103.0
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• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
The scoring rules (official PDF and Game Help) say:
> Your final score is the total of the top cards on the five piles
Applying the rule as written, in the final situation 4-5-5-5-5-3 (cf screenshot) we would expect score of 27.
The game calculates 22 (cf screenshot).
Now, the rule doesn't seem to make much sense for Black Powder as it would penalize playing more cards.
Therefore, I suspect the scoring rule needs a rephrasing for the (unofficial?) Black Powder variant:
> Your final score is the total number of played cards.
This results in the same scores for non-Black-Powder games, and extends nicely to Black-Powder games.
With that rule, the score in the above scenario should be 27 as well (incidentally, since the top-most black card was 3).
A clearer example would be 4-5-5-5-5-2 (with black the right-most number) which yields 26 with the official rules as written, and 28 with the proposed alternative.
Either way, the 22 the game calculates seems to be wrong.
(Hypothesis: It calculates the score as usual, ignoring black, and then subtracts the number of unplayed black cards. There's no precedences for that calculation in the available rules texts; if it _is_ intended, the scoring rules for the Black Powder variant should be given accordingly.) • What is your browser?
Firefox 103.0
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Your bug has probably been fixed already, or was linked to a temporary failure of BGA service.
In any case, when filling a bug report, make sure to have an explicit title linked to the incident (ex: with error message), so other players can recognize it and vote for it.
So, if you play with 5 colors + Black (= 6 colors), you can reach -5 + (6 × 5) = 25 points and not 30
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