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#107708: "In tournament games, expelling a player who is out of time should be a unanimous decision"
#107708: "In tournament games, expelling a player who is out of time should be a unanimous decision"
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• Please copy/paste the error message you see on your screen, if any.
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• Please explains what you wanted to do, what you do and what happened
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• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
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• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• What is your browser?
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• What was displayed on the screen when you were blocked (Blank screen? Part of the game interface? Error message?)
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• What is your browser?
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• Which part of the rules was not respected by the BGA adaptation
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• Is the rules violation visible on game replay? If yes, at which move number?
• What is your browser?
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• Which was the game action you wanted to do?
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• What do you try to do to trigger this game action?
• What happened when you try to do this (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• What is your browser?
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• At which step of the game did the problem occurs (what was the current game instruction)?
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• What happened when you try to do a game action (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
• What is your browser?
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• Please describe the display issue. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• What is your browser?
not relevant
• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
• What is your browser?
not relevant
• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
There are frequent issues with the current system, discussed in this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31083
The problem arises in a multiplayer game (three or more players). Suppose one player has a clear lead, while another player has exceeded the time allotment. At present, the player who's overtime is not automatically booted, but any other player can activate a boot, which results in the game being considered a tie among all players not out of time. So as the game nears the finish, any player who is headed for a loss has an incentive to boot the out-of-time player, terminating the game. The player who was actually leading in gameplay is deprived of a likely win; all players are deprived of the satisfaction of finishing the game naturally, even though there was enough time to finish, just because one player exceeded the time allotment and one player activated an expulsion.
Instead, in a tournament game the decision to skip a player for exceeding the time allotment should be unanimous; all players with time remaining on their clock should have to agree to boot the player thus ending the game prematurely. If any player with time remaining wants to continue playing, then the game will go either until it finishes or until the maximum game duration (as set by the tournament creator) is reached.• What is your browser?
not relevant
Report history
18. Dec 2023 6:34 • Mathew5000 • This suggestion has not been analyzed by delopers yet:
In my view, this solution is preferable to the proposals in the following suggestions which address the same problem:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=35239 #35239 (booting an overtime player should be a majority decision)
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=35289 #35289 (booting an overtime player should not be permitted at all in multiplayer tournament games)
I do think that either of those suggestions would be preferable to the status quo, however.
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=35239 #35239 (booting an overtime player should be a majority decision)
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=35289 #35289 (booting an overtime player should not be permitted at all in multiplayer tournament games)
I do think that either of those suggestions would be preferable to the status quo, however.
18. Dec 2023 20:15 • mrdoctor • This suggestion has not been analyzed by delopers yet:
100% agree - have often seen situations where 2 players are in the red on time in a tournament, and one of the 2 players in the red has kicked out the other to make sure it's not them who've been kicked out.
Likewise, plenty of situations where people kick out a player out-of-time if it looks like they're about to lose, but they know that by kicking someone else out that can scam themselves a win.
Likewise, plenty of situations where people kick out a player out-of-time if it looks like they're about to lose, but they know that by kicking someone else out that can scam themselves a win.
22. Nov 2024 21:08 • BananaHarambe • This suggestion has not been analyzed by delopers yet:
agreed on this as a simple common sense feature for tournaments.
Since the feature needs to be universal I think this works fine in every common scenario in 3/4 player games. The effects of a skipped game vary based on tournament type so leave it up to the players to decide if skipping is optimal for them. This allows players to expel players to speed up tournaments, which makes it better than completely disabling the skip player button for tournaments.
Tournament integrity would rarely be affected because the skip is unanimous. The worst case is that players can use it to intentionally draw against remaining players, but these are 3+ player tournaments which are generally casual anyways.
Since the feature needs to be universal I think this works fine in every common scenario in 3/4 player games. The effects of a skipped game vary based on tournament type so leave it up to the players to decide if skipping is optimal for them. This allows players to expel players to speed up tournaments, which makes it better than completely disabling the skip player button for tournaments.
Tournament integrity would rarely be affected because the skip is unanimous. The worst case is that players can use it to intentionally draw against remaining players, but these are 3+ player tournaments which are generally casual anyways.
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